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Old gold and diamond ring
by: Anonymous

Hi I’ve got a Kinsey Brothers and Patrick ring with a crown 18 and anchor on its side, KBSP also
Three diamonds

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Kinsey Bros. Info
by: Bronwen

I have an 18K ring with a glass cameo & the KBSP in a rectangular box.

There's a bit of history in them here:

https://jqheritage.co.uk/kinsey-bros-and-patrick-ltd/

A ring from 1874 is discussed. However, no mention of Kinsey mark.

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Kinsey Family History
by: J Ashmore

I am fairly certain the Kinsey family business in jewellery quarter of Birmingham were there in the late 1800s as I have a 5 stone ring made by them in Victorian era which has been passed down through family and I know my paternal Grandmother's maiden name was Kinsey.

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Kinsey Bros Jewellers
by: J Ashmore

Doing research on family history. My Grandmother Rosa Bella Kinsey was related to a family of jewellers and I believe that some jewellery in family was made in jewellery quarter in Birmingham at their factory.

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KBSP
by: Anonymous

I have a wedding ring with KBSP in a rectangle, the hallmark is a crown, 22, a sideways anchor and the letter E. I find it confusing that the ring may have been made in 1777 but find that the Kinsey Brothers and Patrick were not in business at that time. Does anyone have any ideas?

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KBSP Candidate
by: Yvonne

Did you read Trev's post underneath? Might be worth following up.

Regards Yvonne

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KBSP Wedding Band
by: Anonymous

I also have a gold wedding band with the initials KBSP in a rectangle. 22carat, assayed in Birmingham in 1851 according to the date list (Plain C in a rectangle). Just to add to the mystery...

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KSBP
by: Trev

We are always reluctant to give attributions without seeing the mark, as there are often very similar marks to be found, but from your description there is likely to be only one candidate and that is Kinsey Brothers & Patrick, of 56, Albion Street, Birmingham. They registered at Chester in 1897 as Keeper Ring Manufacturers.

Trev.
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=28668

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Ring my mother gave me
by: Anonymous

This ring my mother gave me is stamped with KBSP then a crown then 18 then an anchor and then f I was wondering could you tell me any information on the ring please thank you -Ciara devlin

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KBSP
by: Tina

Hi I have a pendant that is 18 ct gold with a flat back diamond and a drop of silver and a Australian milky Opal
The hall mark is on the silver drop saying
KBSP 18 ct
Silver

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KBSP - Photo Request
by: Ray

Hello,
I was looking today for information identical to Nige's question regarding exactly the same string of identifiers on my late mother's wedding ring including maker being KBSP. The only difference being that it is marked 22 not 18. Also the year mark is a 'J' and the site suggests 1858.
Whilst I am in Australia, this ring came from the UK.
Seems I am one of those other people pulling out their hair!
Regards
Ray

ANTIQUE JEWELRY INVESTOR SUPPORT TEAM comments:
photo please?

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Hallmark Challenge
by: Yvonne

Good afternoon Nige

thank you so much for writing in;

Nige it would help a lot if we could see photos of the mark, because it's clearly a hallmark challenge... one photo should be as close-up of the initials as possible, a second of the mark and surrounding area, a third of the ring in its entirety. Please resubmit your question, with images. If it is an unregistered mark which Valerie has suggested - it would be great to see the mark and have it documented for others who may also be pulling their hair out trying to ID this mark. Thanks again.

Warm Regards
Yvonne

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KBSP
by: Valerie Hammond

Hello -

I have many reference books which list the prominent gold and silversmiths as well as the jewellery houses of the past 200 years. I cannot find those initials listed in my resources. This was a custom made ring and in most cases , commissioned pieces, made by professional goldsmiths in small shops were not recorded. As you can well imagine there were a great number of excellent jewellers and goldsmiths working in the 19th century, very few of which were documented. I will continue my search and if I am able to discover the history I will forward the details.. Valerie Hammond

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Similar hallmark etc...
by: Nige

I want to ID a gold ladies' ring with these similar marks:

KBSP, Crown, 18, anchor lying right, and 'e' (all in rectangle boxes with angled corners).

Can't find the maker KBSP anywhere, and want to now the year in 'e'

Thanks

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Photo Request
by: Anonymous

Hi Ed

even when I zoom in using special software the maker's mark in your ring unfortunately is not clear. The makers mark in Nina's ring if you look, is impossible to decipher although the image of the actual ring in its entirety is in good clear focus.

What described as the identical sponsor mark was found on antique gold keeper's ring, again no image :-( . So, the point is we need two in focus, images of the initial marks to continue our research- one image should be close-up. Thank You.

Regards Rebecca.

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KBSP Goldsmith
by: Anonymous

Rebecca, thanks but the initials KBSP on my Grandmother's wedding ring are quite evident when you enlarge the photo on the pc.

Also these same initials appear in the gold buckle ring image that Nina has enquired about so there is no doubt as to the authenticity of this goldsmith. Both rings carry the Birmingham hallmark and both appear to stem from the early 1900's.

Should be enough info here to glean info on what was presumably a well established goldsmiths using the hallmark KBSP surely.

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KBSP Extra Research
by: Anonymous

Hi Ed ...... we have tried in the time allocated for hallmark questions to identify goldsmith but I 'am afraid this id is going to take some extra research.

We will need two more images of the actual mark, from different angles. One should be close-up. Some marks are more difficult (and this is one of them) and could take the researcher hours.

There is a $5 charge for extra research. If this is acceptable, please send images to:

harrisrebecca@me.com

and I will immediately send through a payment request for $5 US.

Best Regards
Rebecca

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Ring Size Chart
by: Rebecca

Hi Nina

that sounds like good advise from Ed. Victorian ladies in general were a lot smaller and consequently so were their fingers. Check the size of the ring before you purchase, as it would be a problem to re-size as Ed mentioned.

There is a link to a Ring Size Chart in the Jewelry Resources.

Regards
Rebecca

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Buckle Ring
by: Ed

Nina, I would suggest you get the size of this ring beforehand. If it's too small to fit on the intended finger this ring doesn't lend itself to having a piece put in to make it bigger due to the intricate design along the edges.

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Victorian Gold Buckle Ring
by: Nina

I was considering buying a Victorian Gold Buckle Ring ring with the same initials KBSP - i would also love to know the maker of this ring.

Victorian Gold Buckle Ring

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